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有感而发 (稀有地是全中文贴子)

有感而发 (稀有地是全中文贴子)

刚巧遇上 (stumble upon) 一个在网上教英语的老师,他的成就不简单,但看了他在论坛写下的英语,我有点为他与国人难过。虽然他在你们眼中很成功,不简单,但可惜的是,他在正统英语使用者当中,是不合格的,也教坏学生。

请注意,我不是单一去批评一个老师,这是国内普遍现象。除了语法外,大多数老师是不能准确地用英语来表达的。在学员心里,他是很棒。但真懂地道英语的人,眼中他是不合格的。不识英语的被他吓死,懂英语的被他笑死。我要举例子说明,但我不会在这里谈论,不想影响该老师的形象。

我的 Qzone QQ空间会有另贴讨论类似的错误,但会隐藏那老师的身份,也会同时从其它类似水平的老师取材。我是实事求是的态度来认真去讨论问题,请不要以为我是推崇自已,打击其它老师,我能教导的学生人数有限,绝无必要这样做,我培训英语是出於分享奉献,多於为了金钱回报,但当然也不能不收费,有缘有能力学习,但没钱的,可以个别跟我商量。

[ 本帖最后由 unclemartin 于 2009-10-31 13:55 编辑 ]
不要总是整天用中文谈论学英语,否则你永远是在发梦!

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很好,希望有机会跟老师学习
Prodigal.Gao
男儿当自强

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回复 1# unclemartin 的帖子

恩,很欣赏unclemartin对于学生无私奉献的精神,尽管是有偿教学,但是所学的内容肯定远远物超所值。我虽然身为老师,但也是一个学生,毕竟学无止境嘛!希望有机会上上unclemartin老师的课,认真学习学习。
Cherry Cox

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其实我也是痴人作梦

Hi Teacher Cherrycox!  I know I am actually quite temperamental.  Simply because I did not start off as a career teacher, I don't have tolerance for those who just fool around with English for fun thinking English is fashionable.  

I know I cannot expect all Chinese English teachers to be accomplished English users here in China.  I always accuse those who talk and discuss about learning English all day without taking any action as dreamers.  They remain forever seekers rather than learners.   I am a dreamer myself expecting more English users to be realistic about the use of English.   Let's dream together!  hehe~~~
不要总是整天用中文谈论学英语,否则你永远是在发梦!

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There are good teachers out there, but it's the bad ones with large followings that are doing much of the damage. Li Yang's classic blunder: "What do you want?" is one such example. Just imagine a receptionist babbling that when approached by a customer or client! Even saying that with a smile will not lessen the tone of hostility and rudeness.

I am not an English teacher.  But one does not have to be a concert pianist to notice a piece is being played badly. I am not going to pull my punches like you do.

There are also some mistakes ridden teaching materials out there being touted as gems, e.g.
"标题如:英语写作必背200句; 英语写作绝对有用200句;英语高级写作必背200句;雅思写作必背200句;雅思优秀作文必背200句;经典200句;等等. 有些贴子连有惊人之序言,e.g.: “这200句是我们写作教学组6年时间提举出来的国外经典文章中的句子(国外经典文章? Nonsense!),是精华中的精华。”或是“这些句子是从近百篇雅思优秀作文中摘录下来并经反复推敲提炼而成的。” 或是“英语高级写作必背200句,为经典之作,不仅仅句型完美”

Here are some examples from this error-filled “英语高级写作必背200句,为经典之作,不仅仅句型完美”:

13 . A proper part-time job does not occupy students' too much time. In fact, it is unhealthy for them to spend all of time on their study. As an old saying goes: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. 修改为 A proper part-time job would not occupy too much of a student’s time. In fact, it is unhealthy for them to spend all their time on their studies. As an old saying goes: “All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.” (Please note this same quote is repeated in #79)

63. From what has been discussed above, I am fully convinced that the leisure life-style is undergoing a decline with the progress of modern society, it is not necessary (necessarily) a bad thing.(Use of the “comma” after "society" leads to (不间断句子) a run-on sentenc. Add conjunction “and” --> ...modern society, and it is..."
  
  64. The problem of international tourism has caused wide public concern over the recent years.(misplaced modifier) (It is not “concern over the recent years”. It is the “problem” that has caused concern.)-->修改: In recent years, the problem of international tourism has cause wide public concern.

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Here are three examples from a list ofat least 20 mistakes in "每天一起练口语"
Chapter 9
Have a little wine, punk. 小伙子,喝一点酒吧。(可以缓解一下精神紧张)--》修改/注解: ” punk “ is not 小伙子. You just don’t call any 小伙子 a punk! 小阿飞/流氓 is closer.
Imagine what would happen to you if you were to go up to a guy in a bar and address him Aas 'punk"!

每天一起练口语(26)----年轻朋友的表达
Hmm, I'm stoned. 哼,我是个老古板。--》修改/注解: ”stoned”is the slang for intoxicated. (by alcohol or drugs)

Chapter 30
I used to be a pilot. Now, I'm a parachutist. 我曾经做过飞行员,如今是伞兵了。--》修改/注解伞兵 Paratrooper ; 跳伞员 parachutist

The weirdest of all is this one from chapter 30: 最奇怪的的这一条。你每天口语会在那时用到?
This mouse would be delicious. 这只老鼠似乎很是可口。
Why would we want to say, “This mouse would be delicious?” Are you going to eat a mouse? My guess is this is either copied down wrong, or the original text is wrong. Chances are, the word is “mousse” (pronounce as “mooo-s”) instead of “mouse.” Mousse is a French dessert (from dictionary 一种多泡沫含奶油的甜点). Note: there are some dessert websites in which the word “mouse” is used for “mousse.” I don’t know if that is a careless mistake, a spelling mistake, or that indeed “mouse” is now used for “mousse” (I doubt that.)
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以下出自: 误人子弟的英语学习资料
每年有些“名校,名师”的考试作文范文上小不免有错误,今年(2007, 12 月 CET6) 此乎特别多。 只看看第一段,已摇头叹息。
2007年 12月的 CET “答案范文”作文。 网上有数个“答案范文”,"精英范文" " 名师范文 " 都有错多多误。
例如: http://www.wmmenglish.com/Article/cet6/cet06/2007-12-22/6070.html,
http://www.wmmenglish.com/Article/cet6/cet06/2007-12-22/6070_2.html,
http://www.wmmenglish.com/Article/cet6/cet06/2007-12-23/6079.html

举个例: http://www.wmmenglish.com/Article/cet6/cet06/2007-12-22/6070.html

只看看第一段
"It is widely accept that the digital age has already arrived, such as mobile phone, Mp3, Mp4, digital camera, digital computer and so on. They make our life convenient and colourful."
(i) accept-->accepted
(ii) "such as" 不是指 “the digital age has already arrived“, 而是指产品。 应修改为 "...has arrived. Products such as...."
(iii)单,复数错误。 泛指应用复数。 这是中国人常有错误。因为中文单词没有单,复数的分别。 复数 ”Products such as mobile phones, MP3s, MP4s, digital cameras, digital computers and so on."; 单数: Products such as the mobile phone, MP3, MP4, digital camera, digital computer and so on."
(iv) our life-->our lives
Revised to: It is widely accepted that the digital age has already arrived. Products such as mobile phones, Mp3s, Mp4s, digital cameras, digital computers and so on make our lives convenient and colourful."

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如此精英范文
一个常见的错误是错用"Electric appliance":
举个例 精英考试作文范文 http://www.wmmenglish.com/Article/cet6/cet06/2007-12-22/6070_2.html
"With the popularization of advanced technology and the reduction of prices for electric appliances, digital products have made their way into most people's life nowadays, such as computers, cameras, mp3s, as well as mobile phones."
在英语国家, Electric appliance 是指 microwave, refrigerator, air conditioner, washing machine, dryer, vacuum cleaner, dishwasher 之类。 你若不信, 大可去 Walmart, Sears, 之类的公司去看看! Mp3, Mp4, digital camera, digital computer。。。总称为 Electronics or Consumer Electronics. 而 MP3, ipod 之类也有称为 electronic gadgets. 最重要的是 electrical 与 electronic 的分别。
网上大部份的 名师,名校, 专家, 必背范文都是错误很多,或是中式英语非常浓厚。无怪很多留学生到了国外,便发觉他们所学的英语写作根本是垃圾。当然,好的老师不是没有。这要看你的运气了。
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"such as" 不是指 “people's lives“, 而是指产品。 应修
改为 "...people's lives nowadays. Products such as...."

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先举个例:四六级作文写作模版 (网上很多。以下的是出自“江财人论坛 → 江财版面 → 阅览室 → 英语角 → 四六级作文写作模版,献给即将考试的人” http://www.jiangcairen.com/fourm/dispbbs.asp?boardID=11&ID=937&page=1 )
未修改过的原文
Generation gap between parents and children Nowadays , there are more and more misunderstanding between parents and children which is so- called generation gap . It is estimated that (75 percentages of parents often complain their children's unreasonable behavior while children usually think their parents too old fashioned). Why have there been so much misunderstanding between parents and children? Maybe the reasons can be listed as follows . The first one is that ( the two generations, having grown up at different times, have different likes and dislikes ,thus the disagreement often rises between them) . Besides(due to having little in common to talk about , they are not willing to sit face to face ) . The third reason is (with the pace of modern life becoming faster and faster , both of them are so busy with their work or study that they don't spare enough time to exchange ideas ).To sum up ,the main cause of XX is due to ( lake of communication and understanding each other) . It is high time that something were done upon it. For one thing (children should respect their parents ).On the other hand ,( parents also should show solicitue for their children). All these measures will certainly bridge the generation gap .
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修改 。出自第5楼 江财人论坛 英语角 http://www.jiangcairen.com/fourm/dispbbs.asp?boardID=11&ID=937&page=1
这个写作模版没有注名是谁写的?错的这么多,不会是你写的吧。
75 percentages/ 75 percent
of parents often complain their children's /complain about their
while children usually think their parents too old
fashioned /while the children usually think of their parent as too
old fashioned/usually think their parents are too old fashioned).
Why have there/why has there…
to ( lake of communication and understanding each other)./due to a/the lack of
It is high time that something were done upon it /something is done about it
show solicitue/solicitude
will certainly bridge the/help to bridge

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The sad part is that China is now saturated with unqualified "foreign teachers", some of whom are a disgrace to the "real qualified teaching professionals." I came across an ad by a Chinese tutorial school the other day. None of its crop of foreign teachers has a degree in English or English teaching experience in their own countries. Of course there are good ones. E.g. Two of my colleagues from the English dept, both retired after teaching English for over 30 years, went to teach in China just for the experience.

[ 本帖最后由 rover 于 2009-12-10 12:04 编辑 ]

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Hi Rover!  It is a pleasant surprise to see your pretty detailed analysis.  I must admit that I am vocal when it comes to English language trainining in China.   It is not easy to find someone echoing about these things freely here in China.  I did it as a WAKE-UP CALL.

A potential student approached me last night under the user name of ORALKING.  I told him before anything else that he should drop that ORALKING username otherwise he will be getting a lot of enquiries from those who need ORAL SEX play.

What can you do with these people who have a distorted view on English?

On foreign teachers, I know this better than a whole lot of other people as I had been involved with interviewing and placing native English teachers from Hong Kong for 4 straight years.   For a year, I was a BANANA-SKIN foreign teacher in Yangshuo (Guline, Guangxi); albeit I left oral English training only after one month (disappointed by the poor school administration and the unpreparedness of students arriving mainly from Shenzhen City) to teach in an all girls school business English and trade correspondence, as one of the only two foreign teachers (the other being Australian).
I can only use the word PATHETIC to describe the whole situation here.

[ 本帖最后由 unclemartin 于 2009-12-6 15:51 编辑 ]
不要总是整天用中文谈论学英语,否则你永远是在发梦!

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